I'd thought AMQP was supposed to be a standard that specific products
implemented, not a product in and of itself?
Thank you,
Jeff Lowrey
From: "Meekin, Paul" <paul.meekin-***@public.gmane.org>
To: MQSERIES-JX7+OpRa80QeFbOYke1v4oOpTq8/***@public.gmane.org,
Date: 08/23/2013 02:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MQSERIES] Why me?
Sent by: MQSeries List <MQSERIES-JX7+OpRa80QeFbOYke1v4oOpTq8/***@public.gmane.org>
This is defintely true for many FOSS products but there are some that are
backed by companies if you want to pay for support. I think it depends on
whether it's a project that's backed by a real company, in which case they
want it to be as solid as possible or if it's "community-driven" in which
case it gets all the cool features but the tedious bits, like security
tend to languish on the to-do list.
In recent years for various reasons we've looked at RabbitMQ, HornetQ and
ZeroMQ in reasonable detail along with maybe a few cursory looks at
others. Of course I'm going to have an MQ bias but I was shocked at how
some really basic features were missing from some of these. Sure, they'll
have some whizz-bang thing that MQ doesn't but you can usually tell the
difference between an industrial-strength, mature product like MQ and
something without serious corporate backing. And even then you can't be
sure - anyone heard about AMQP recently?
So FOSS is clearly here to stay but it rarely is the low-cost panacea that
some management types think it is for any serious work. Ask who is driving
development, how long major items sit on the bug list, how easy is it to
[buy] support, what features does it offer and what's missing.
Cheers,
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: MQSeries List [mailto:MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/bWDasg6f+***@public.gmane.org] On Behalf
Of T.Rob
Sent: 22 August 2013 22:18
To: MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/bWDasg6f+***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Why me?
Another possibility is to explain that without a company backing a
product, there is nobody to spend money on a comparison study. Given
mostly anecdotal evidence on many of the open-source messaging products
out there, one would be required to invest in an in-house comparison study
just to get to the point of knowing whether it is an apples to apples
comparison.
As a for-instance, while at Bank of America we had a testing lab
environment for such things and subjected MQSeries (at the time) and a
competitor to destructive testing. This meant we did everything we could
think of from pulling network cables under heavy load, to killing
processes under heavy load, to yanking filesystems out from under the
transport engine. Some of the competing transports we tested dropped
messages at the slightest provocation. We got good at making MQSeries
lose a message or two, but it took hard work and the things we reported to
IBM back then have been addressed.
So if the VP wishes to pay for that level of testing you might invest a
fair amount of money only to get to a point where you either decide the
open-source messaging product you investigated isn't ready for prime-time.
Then you do the next one...and the next one.
I'm sure he'll jump at the chance to fund this. Let us know your results
and how far you get, OK?
-- T.Rob
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Bob Juch
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 16:06 PM
Subject: Re: Why me?
Did you ask him if he was prepared to hire more people to support it?
The problem I've seen with open source is that instead of paying a
company for proper product support you have to do most of the work.
Bob Juch
Juch Services LLC
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Coombs, Lawrence
Post by Coombs, LawrenceI was minding my own business when a VP tapped me on the shoulder
and
Post by Coombs, Lawrenceasked if I was the MQ guy (apparently he had seen me before). I said
yes. He then dropped this question on me: What are we doing with
Open
Source Messaging?
Post by Coombs, LawrenceWhat products have you looked at? I sheepishly said that it was
something we would be looking at. Of course he wanted to be kept
abreast of what we discovered.
My question to this list is: Has anyone actively looking at or using
any Open Source Messaging product they care to comment on?
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