Finding number of uncommitted msg using runmqsc?

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Hale, Barbara S

2007-07-31 14:48:53 UTC

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I wanted to write a small shell script to find the number of uncommitted msgs on a queue.  Using DISPLAY QSTATUS in runmqsc I can see that I have uncommitted messages, UNCOM(YES).  And, using the wonderous M071, I can see that I have 71 uncommitted messages so I know that the number of uncommitted messages information is available.

Is there a command in runmqsc that will give me the actual number of uncommitted messages rather than just "YES" or "NO"?  I want to be able to track the number of uncommitted messages over time.

Thanks for your help,

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Morag Hughson

2007-07-31 16:30:01 UTC

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If MO71 can tell you something, so can runmqsc. If you hover your mouse
pointer over the column title on the list which shows you the number of
uncommitted messages it will tell you the MQSC attribute name inside the
brackets.

I can't think what attribute tells you this fact - maybe I'm having an off
day.

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Finding number of uncommitted msg using runmqsc?

I wanted to write a small shell script to find the number of uncommitted
msgs on a queue. Using DISPLAY QSTATUS in runmqsc I can see that I have
uncommitted messages, UNCOM(YES). And, using the wonderous M071, I can
see that I have 71 uncommitted messages so I know that the number of
uncommitted messages information is available.
Is there a command in runmqsc that will give me the actual number of
uncommitted messages rather than just "YES" or "NO"? I want to be able to
track the number of uncommitted messages over time.
Thanks for your help,
Barbara
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2007-07-31 16:59:16 UTC

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DISPLAY QSTATS it is the returning 'UNCOM' field.
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Robert Broderick

2007-07-31 17:01:41 UTC

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I would think to display the number you woud minus the numner of actual messages returned from a browse till 2033 from the queue depth. That is not exact because you have to worry about expired, and messages locked and............but...................................................

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Hale, Barbara S

2007-07-31 18:32:01 UTC

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Using runmqsc, the UNCOM field is just "YES", not the actual number of
uncommitted messages...

1 : dis qstatus(XXX.YYY.QL) UNCOM
AMQ8450: Display queue status details.
QUEUE(XXX.YYY.QL)
TYPE(QUEUE) CURDEPTH(0)
UNCOM(YES)

I hover over the column in MO71 and it says Uncommitted Messages(UNCOM),
but it has an actual number of messages in it (237) rather than "YES" so
I'm still unsure how MO71 gets the information.

Barbara

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I would think to display the number you woud minus the numner of actual
messages returned from a browse till 2033 from the queue depth. That is
not exact because you have to worry about expired, and messages locked
and............but...................................................

bobbee

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:30:01 +0100
Subject: Re: Finding number of uncommitted msg using runmqsc?
If MO71 can tell you something, so can runmqsc. If you hover your

mouse

pointer over the column title on the list which shows you the number

uncommitted messages it will tell you the MQSC attribute name inside

the

brackets.
I can't think what attribute tells you this fact - maybe I'm having an

off

uncommitted

msgs on a queue. Using DISPLAY QSTATUS in runmqsc I can see that I

have

uncommitted messages, UNCOM(YES). And, using the wonderous M071, I can
see that I have 71 uncommitted messages so I know that the number of
uncommitted messages information is available.
Is there a command in runmqsc that will give me the actual number of
uncommitted messages rather than just "YES" or "NO"? I want to be able

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Paul Clarke

2007-07-31 20:38:48 UTC

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Hi Barbara,

I can't think why UNCOM would have a value of 237. Like MQSC I would
expect it to be either YES or NO. What version of MQ server and MO71 are
you using ? Any chance you could send me a screenshot of your dialog just
to ensure we're talking about the same thing.

Cheers,
P.

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Re: Finding number of uncommitted msg using runmqsc?

Using runmqsc, the UNCOM field is just "YES", not the actual number of
uncommitted messages...

1 : dis qstatus(XXX.YYY.QL) UNCOM
AMQ8450: Display queue status details.
QUEUE(XXX.YYY.QL)
TYPE(QUEUE) CURDEPTH(0)
UNCOM(YES)

I hover over the column in MO71 and it says Uncommitted Messages(UNCOM),
but it has an actual number of messages in it (237) rather than "YES" so
I'm still unsure how MO71 gets the information.

Barbara

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I would think to display the number you woud minus the numner of actual
messages returned from a browse till 2033 from the queue depth. That is
not exact because you have to worry about expired, and messages locked
and............but...................................................

bobbee

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:30:01 +0100
Subject: Re: Finding number of uncommitted msg using runmqsc?
If MO71 can tell you something, so can runmqsc. If you hover your mouse
pointer over the column title on the list which shows you the number of
uncommitted messages it will tell you the MQSC attribute name inside the
brackets.
I can't think what attribute tells you this fact - maybe I'm having an

off

day.
Cheers
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I wanted to write a small shell script to find the number of uncommitted
msgs on a queue. Using DISPLAY QSTATUS in runmqsc I can see that I have
uncommitted messages, UNCOM(YES). And, using the wonderous M071, I can
see that I have 71 uncommitted messages so I know that the number of
uncommitted messages information is available.
Is there a command in runmqsc that will give me the actual number of
uncommitted messages rather than just "YES" or "NO"? I want to be able

3AU

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Many of the version 6 monitoring displays show values related to a
"short period" and "longer period" of time. What do these mean? How
long is a "short period"? How long is a "longer period"?

For example: DIS CHS(*) NETTIME XQTIME COMPRATE

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Hey Will,

join the club.

The closest that I have been able to deduce is that the long interval is
shorter than the lifetime of the earth (whether calculated by religious or
scientific methods), and that the short time interval is even shorter than
that :-).

I know this is not a great deal of help, but I hope that it helps you to
feel less isolated by your lack of information, even if no more informed.

More seriously, the question was raised at one of the Impact 2007 sessions
(I think it was one of the internals sessions) but I don't think a
definitive answer was given. Maybe we can get a better answer from one of
the IBM folks who generously respond on list from time to time.

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Short period; long period

Many of the version 6 monitoring displays show values related to a
"short period" and "longer period" of time. What do these mean? How
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For example: DIS CHS(*) NETTIME XQTIME COMPRATE

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The two indicator values (as we call them) in the various monitoring
attributes show you a short term rolling average and a long term rolling
average. We didn't call them averages officially because accurately they
are not averages, but close enough for the purposes of explaining them.

The short term indicator shows the "average" of a recent set of
measurements, and the long term indicator shows the "average" over a
longer period. If you get a spike in the thing you are measuring, the
spike will clear from the short term indicator much quicker than the long
term indicator.

This is what the following section in the Monitoring WebSphere MQ book is
trying to say
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wmqv6/v6r0/topic/com.ibm.mq.csqzax.doc/rtmonmiv.htm

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It looks like IBMLINK is down again. Anyone else having problems getting
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I can't get to it either.

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1 + 1 + 1+ 1 + ......... = 237 ??????????????

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Using runmqsc, the UNCOM field is just "YES", not the actual number of uncommitted messages... 1 : dis qstatus(XXX.YYY.QL) UNCOMAMQ8450: Display queue status details. QUEUE(XXX.YYY.QL) TYPE(QUEUE) CURDEPTH(0) UNCOM(YES) I hover over the column in MO71 and it says Uncommitted Messages(UNCOM), but it has an actual number of messages in it (237) rather than "YES" so I'm still unsure how MO71 gets the information. Barbara
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Paul Clarke

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Hi Barbara,

Well, I congratulate you on finding a product feature! You've caused a
fair amount of puzzled looks and scratching of heads but what you describe
is exactly what happens.

The UNCOM attribute is documented as returning only two values YES (1) and
NO (0). However, as you have discovered the Distributed product actually
returns the number of uncommitted messages. Now, MO71 has a strategy that
if a returned number matches one of the pre-defined values then is
displayed that value otherwise it will just display the numbers. Which is
why you'll see MO71 report NO, YES, 2,3,4,5.........

The MQ Explorer displays any unexpected value as [Unknown]. So you'll see
the sequence as NO, YES, [Unknown]......

Now, it appears as though MQSC will treat any non-zero value as YES and
won't report the number.

The z/OS always just returns YES and NO.

So, what you've found is am inconsistency between both the books and the
product and an inconsistency between the Distributed and z/OS products. A
pretty good find! The question is what do we do about it ?. The simplest
thing for us to do is to change the command server in the Dist. product to
only return 0 and 1; which means this potentially useful feature is lost.
Alternatively we change the documentation (and possibly MQ Explorer) to
allow for values greater that 1. It's just possible that in the future
the z/OS product could be changed to also report the actual number but I'm
told that this is a non-trivial change and may never happen. We believe
that changing the documentation and keeping the inconsistency is the
lesser of two evils. We will raise a documentation defect.

So, it seems that if you want to monitor the number of uncommitted
messages you will not be able to do it via MQSC. You can do so via MO71
and setting auto-refresh and adding an appropriate filter to the window to
page you (or whatever) when the value reaches a certain limit.
Alternatively you could write a fairly simple PCF application it
repeatedly query the value.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Our apologies for any confusion
caused,

Cheers,
Paul

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1 + 1 + 1+ 1 + ......... = 237 ??????????????

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Hi Barbara,

I can't think why UNCOM would have a value of 237. Like MQSC I would
expect it to be either YES or NO. What version of MQ server and MO71 are
you using ? Any chance you could send me a screenshot of your dialog just
to ensure we're talking about the same thing.

Cheers,
P.

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Using runmqsc, the UNCOM field is just "YES", not the actual number of
uncommitted messages...

1 : dis qstatus(XXX.YYY.QL) UNCOM
AMQ8450: Display queue status details.
QUEUE(XXX.YYY.QL)
TYPE(QUEUE) CURDEPTH(0)
UNCOM(YES)

I hover over the column in MO71 and it says Uncommitted Messages(UNCOM),
but it has an actual number of messages in it (237) rather than "YES" so
I'm still unsure how MO71 gets the information.

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I would think to display the number you woud minus the numner of actual
messages returned from a browse till 2033 from the queue depth. That is
not exact because you have to worry about expired, and messages locked
and............but...................................................

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Does anyone have a pointer to the platform-specific docs for OpenVMS?

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Paul -

Thanks for researching it. It is a product feature that I love so I
would vote for the inconsistency and changing the documentation. I'm
glad that MO71 can give me the information which I'm finding valuable.

Thanks,
Barbara

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Behalf Of Paul Clarke
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Subject: Re: Finding number of uncommitted msg using runmqsc?

Hi Barbara,

Well, I congratulate you on finding a product feature! You've caused a
fair amount of puzzled looks and scratching of heads but what you
describe is exactly what happens.

The UNCOM attribute is documented as returning only two values YES (1)
and NO (0). However, as you have discovered the Distributed product
actually returns the number of uncommitted messages. Now, MO71 has a
strategy that if a returned number matches one of the pre-defined values
then is displayed that value otherwise it will just display the numbers.
Which is why you'll see MO71 report NO, YES, 2,3,4,5.........

The MQ Explorer displays any unexpected value as [Unknown]. So you'll
see the sequence as NO, YES, [Unknown]......

Now, it appears as though MQSC will treat any non-zero value as YES and
won't report the number.

The z/OS always just returns YES and NO.

So, what you've found is am inconsistency between both the books and the
product and an inconsistency between the Distributed and z/OS products.
A pretty good find! The question is what do we do about it ?. The
simplest thing for us to do is to change the command server in the Dist.
product to only return 0 and 1; which means this potentially useful
feature is lost. Alternatively we change the documentation (and possibly
MQ Explorer) to allow for values greater that 1. It's just possible
that in the future the z/OS product could be changed to also report the
actual number but I'm told that this is a non-trivial change and may
never happen. We believe that changing the documentation and keeping the
inconsistency is the lesser of two evils. We will raise a documentation
defect.

So, it seems that if you want to monitor the number of uncommitted
messages you will not be able to do it via MQSC. You can do so via MO71
and setting auto-refresh and adding an appropriate filter to the window
to page you (or whatever) when the value reaches a certain limit.
Alternatively you could write a fairly simple PCF application it
repeatedly query the value.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Our apologies for any
confusion caused,

Cheers,
Paul

Paul G Clarke
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Hursley Park

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1 + 1 + 1+ 1 + ......... = 237 ??????????????

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:38:48 +0100
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Subject: Re: Finding number of uncommitted msg using runmqsc?
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Hi Barbara,

I can't think why UNCOM would have a value of 237. Like MQSC I would
expect it to be either YES or NO. What version of MQ server and MO71
are you using ? Any chance you could send me a screenshot of your dialog
just to ensure we're talking about the same thing.

Cheers,
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Re: Finding number of uncommitted msg using runmqsc?

Using runmqsc, the UNCOM field is just "YES", not the actual number of
uncommitted messages...

1 : dis qstatus(XXX.YYY.QL) UNCOM
AMQ8450: Display queue status details.
QUEUE(XXX.YYY.QL)
TYPE(QUEUE) CURDEPTH(0)
UNCOM(YES)

I hover over the column in MO71 and it says Uncommitted Messages(UNCOM),
but it has an actual number of messages in it (237) rather than "YES" so
I'm still unsure how MO71 gets the information.

Barbara

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To: MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/bWDasg6f+***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Finding number of uncommitted msg using runmqsc?

I would think to display the number you woud minus the numner of actual
messages returned from a browse till 2033 from the queue depth. That is
not exact because you have to worry about expired, and messages locked
and............but...................................................

bobbee

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off

uncommitted

msgs on a queue. Using DISPLAY QSTATUS in runmqsc I can see that I have
uncommitted messages, UNCOM(YES). And, using the wonderous M071, I can
see that I have 71 uncommitted messages so I know that the number of
uncommitted messages information is available.
Is there a command in runmqsc that will give me the actual number of
uncommitted messages rather than just "YES" or "NO"? I want to be able

track the number of uncommitted messages over time.
Thanks for your help,
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I would vote for making everything behave the way of Barbara's system and
update the docs accordingly!!!
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Thanks for researching it. It is a product feature that I love so I would
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So, what you've found is am inconsistency between both the books and the
product and an inconsistency between the Distributed and z/OS products. A
pretty good find! The question is what do we do about it ?. The simplest
thing for us to do is to change the command server in the Dist. product to
only return 0 and 1; which means this potentially useful feature is lost.
Alternatively we change the documentation (and possibly MQ Explorer) to
allow for values greater that 1. It's just possible that in the future
the z/OS product could be changed to also report the actual number but I'm
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Doh! Never mind. As soon as I hit send I realized it's in the 5.3
section of the library.

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and to thing I was just joking!!!! (1 + 1 + 1...) Well shut my mouth!!!!

Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:23:18 +0100From: paulg_clarke-E4/***@public.gmane.org: Re: Finding number of uncommitted msg using runmqsc?To: MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd8cuUN+***@public.gmane.orgDUNIWIEN.AC.ATHi Barbara, Well, I congratulate you on finding a product feature! You've caused a fair amount of puzzled looks and scratching of heads but what you describe is exactly what happens. The UNCOM attribute is documented as returning only two values YES (1) and NO (0). However, as you have discovered the Distributed product actually returns the number of uncommitted messages. Now, MO71 has a strategy that if a returned number matches one of the pre-defined values then is displayed that value otherwise it will just display the numbers. Which is why you'll see MO71 report NO, YES, 2,3,4,5......... The MQ Explorer displays any unexpected value as [Unknown]. So you'll see the sequence as NO, YES, [Unknown]...... Now, it appears as though MQSC will treat any non-zero value as YES and won't report the number. The z/OS always just returns YES and NO. So, what you've found is am inconsistency between both the books and the product and an inconsistency between the Distributed and z/OS products. A pretty good find! The question is what do we do about it ?. The simplest thing for us to do is to change the command server in the Dist. product to only return 0 and 1; which means this potentially useful feature is lost. Alternatively we change the documentation (and possibly MQ Explorer) to allow for values greater that 1. It's just possible that in the future the z/OS product could be changed to also report the actual number but I'm told that this is a non-trivial change and may never happen. We believe that changing the documentation and keeping the inconsistency is the lesser of two evils. We will raise a documentation defect. So, it seems that if you want to monitor the number of uncommitted messages you will not be able to do it via MQSC. You can do so via MO71 and setting auto-refresh and adding an appropriate filter to the window to page you (or whatever) when the value reaches a certain limit. Alternatively you could write a fairly simple PCF application it repeatedly query the value. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Our apologies for any confusion caused, Cheers, Paul Paul G ClarkeWebSphere Messaging ClientsHursley Park

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