Mark just posted the below link that shows MQ 7.0.* End of Life was announced a couple of weeks ago.
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=ca&infotype=an&supplier=897&letternum=ENUS914-067
IBM needs to get the software support lifecycle page updated! I can understand it lagging a day or two behind, but itâs been over 2 weeks already.
Iâm signed up for those technical bulletins from IBM on MQ and no word via that channel eitherâŠgrrrr.
Peter Potkay
From: MQSeries List [mailto:***@LISTSERV.MEDUNIWIEN.AC.AT] On Behalf Of Potkay, Peter M (CTO Architecture + Engineering)
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:36 AM
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No announced date yet for End of Life for MQ 7.0.0, 7.0.1, 7.1 or 7.5 on mid-tiers.
However MQ is an âEâ for Enhanced for the software policy type on the Software Lifecycle page
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/websphere/support/lifecycle/
ââŠa minimum of five full years of standard support from the date the product release was made generally available by IBMâŠâ
ââŠTo make planning easier, we endeavor to coordinate most EOS dates to occur on 30 April or 30 SeptemberâŠ.â
MQ 7.0.0 was released June 2008
MQ 7.0.1 was released Sept 2009
MQ 7.1.0 was released Nov 2011
MQ 7.5.0 was released July 2012
For z/OS,7.0.0 EOL was 9-30-2011
No such thing as 7.5 for z/OS
7.0.1 and 7.1 same info as mid tier so far.
Peter Potkay
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Did they also announce an end of support for V75 ?
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At a recent IBM event I asked the panel a question about this. As we now have a plethora of messaging APIs and systems to choose from (classic MQ, MQTT, MQTT-WebSockets, MQ LLM and now MQ Light) what is IBMâs messaging strategy? The answer was that these are all pitched at different use cases and requirements although clearly there is a great deal of overlap â e.g. MQTT using WebSockets vs MQ Light for example.
Personally I think itâs a tough one â IBM needs to provide the right tools for the job but at the same time if there are too many alternatives the user risks backing the wrong horse, with MQe, AMI etc examples of this.
The Apple model (one size fits all) or the Samsung model (put out enough variations and youâll find something you like)? Or how about overlaying JMS/XMS over top of all of these âtransportsâ?
Also I think the Open source nature of some of these is irrelevant. As has been discussed here in the past Open Source in industry is only useful with paid support. The products need to be chosen on their merits rather than the perceived license cost savings.
From: MQSeries List [mailto:***@LISTSERV.MEDUNIWIEN.AC.AT] On Behalf Of Ian Alderson
Sent: 24 April 2014 09:41
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George,
Iâm not saying your prediction for MQ Light is not ultimately going to come true, but I did notice that link you sent was written by the founder of *cough* zeroMQ, so read into that what you will. I think the AMQP still has legs and was created initially as a cooperative effort by the big banks so it is in use at least in that market. It seems RabbitMQ is still the major implementation, so I guess this is IBMâs attempt to put a product out there based on the protocol.
Ah the memory of MQEveryplace brings tears to my eyesâŠ.but then so do onions. MQTT ultimately replaced that and I think has a great future.
But taking the spirit of your point, I think IBM needs to do some positioning to make clear where they see this versus MQ, MQTT and other open source products out there. Open source messaging is here to stay but backing the winners is harder to do. By choosing the name MQ Light I guess it may be being positioned in part with their Worklight offering in mind, but that is in the mobile space where MQTT is strong. Reading the homepage it mentions a use case of offloading work in a web application. I think the picture is not clear at the moment but hopefully someone from the MQ light team will be along shortly.
Just my thoughts and staying open minded.
Ian
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Really ⊠MQ Light now! Based on AMQP ⊠great an open source effort that was considered failed in 2008.
http://www.imatix.com/articles:whats-wrong-with-amqp/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.imatix.com/articles:whats-wrong-with-amqp/&k=wdHsQuqY0Mqq1fNjZGIYnA%3D%3D%0A&r=ci4D8otONlaL2hVZCpx3l04VZWct8XdbLYsnfUNUrTc%3D%0A&m=B%2F7Dv0Yw%2Fp8XG5zVufkVZZ6lJkpyItDJxzWmstazWLw%3D%0A&s=5fa92624f10631c29f3ff4ef0cb3455a605fafdb2bb3327b03bd464b76a78523>
So MQ Light an IBM product based on an open source developed product, MQTT an open source product based on an IBM developed product (a la Eclipse), oh donât forget good old WMQe ⊠wasnât that the original MQ everywhere?
Seems the expression, âThe bloom is off the rose.â applies ⊠way off.
GTC
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Ian
The new client API is indeed AMQP based (I'm guessing you may have found Rob Nicholson's explanation here https://www.ibmdw.net/messaging/2014/02/14/mq-light-wire-protocol/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://www.ibmdw.net/messaging/2014/02/14/mq-light-wire-protocol/&k=wdHsQuqY0Mqq1fNjZGIYnA%3D%3D%0A&r=ci4D8otONlaL2hVZCpx3l04VZWct8XdbLYsnfUNUrTc%3D%0A&m=B%2F7Dv0Yw%2Fp8XG5zVufkVZZ6lJkpyItDJxzWmstazWLw%3D%0A&s=eefd1352f5c8c5f168082a3d88e1dd4baece0fb46c640e04eb53b203f396a1aa> ) - I think the honest answer to both of those questions is that nothing is set in stone yet, but if those kinds of interoperability do come (and I don't have the crystal ball either) they probably won't be a high priority vs. getting an easy to use product and API out there in the short term - hence the current Alpha.
However, I'm not actually part of the team working on this directly - I'll encourage the folk who are to come and chip in (I know Rob is planning to) but in the meantime they're very keen to get any feedback and input - the forum here is probably a good way of getting in touch if you have more questions or thoughts:
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Anthony Thanks.
I found that link but it didnât seem to say what MQ Light was based on. Guessing it might be AMQP I did a google search and appears thatâs what it is.
So will MQ Light be interoperable with other AMQP providers such as RabbitMQ? And conversely if and when this is supported within a QMgr (through MQ Light Channel perhaps?), would that imply other AMQP clients would be able to connect directly to MQ? I guess that last one may require gazing into a crystal ball. âº
This was the first time I heard the term MQ Light so was interested to know what it was.
Thanks,
Ian
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Hi Ian
MQLight is a number of things in the area of making messaging application development easier, particularly for newcomers - it's in open Alpha at the moment so the easiest way to find out more is to hit the website:
https://www.ibmdw.net/messaging/mq-light/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://www.ibmdw.net/messaging/mq-light/&k=wdHsQuqY0Mqq1fNjZGIYnA%3D%3D%0A&r=ci4D8otONlaL2hVZCpx3l04VZWct8XdbLYsnfUNUrTc%3D%0A&m=B%2F7Dv0Yw%2Fp8XG5zVufkVZZ6lJkpyItDJxzWmstazWLw%3D%0A&s=8a50b80d3276fb7a2546819b0c63987e293e58f961daa74f0c60e6893131c130>
I believe the statement of intent is to the effect that the new API likely to be involved will be fully supported in MQ in the longer term.
Hope that helps
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Thanks for forwarding that Roger.
There's some welcome improvements there, not least the ldap support (but still no Kerberos unfortunately).
Does anyone know what MQ Light is? This is mentioned in the statement of direction for future MQ releases. Seems to be following the same route as MQTT support on MQ? But looks like a completely new API.
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