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IBM Knowledge Center - MQ 7.5
Tim Zielke
2014-06-04 13:58:42 UTC
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Is anyone else having issues using the new IBM Knowledge Center for MQ 7.5? I can't even expand sections. It just clocks or gives me odd errors. I get this for both Internet Explorer and Firefox.

Thanks,
Tim

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Meekin, Paul
2014-06-04 14:00:38 UTC
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Same here. I can't add more than 1 topic to My Collections and other errors. Keeps timing out too so maybe it's just bedding in...

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Thanks,
Tim

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Tim Zielke
2014-06-04 14:15:11 UTC
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I'm at the point where I am trying to download the PDFs, but can't do that either because my company firewalls are blocking the ftp. I'll have to do this at home later today. Frustrating . . .

Anyway, I was going to try and research the following, but I guess I'll ask the question.

I was under the impression that the following would happen with MQ.

Let's say we have two applications that both do a GET with a WAIT on the same queue that has no messages. App1 was the first to do the GET and App2 was the second.

When a message arrives, I was thinking App1 would be delivered the message since it did the GET first. Then let's say App1 would process the message and do another GET on this queue. If later another message arrives, App2 would be given the message since both apps are waiting with GETs on the queue, and App2 was next in line.

However, what I am seeing based on testing is that it is always the app that did that last GET that is delivered the message. So for the above example, App2 would get both messages and App1 would not be delivered any messages.

So is this the consistent behavior that the last app to do the GET will get the next available message? I guess I was assuming that MQ would honor the order that the apps did the GETs in.

Thanks,
Tim

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Same here. I can't add more than 1 topic to My Collections and other errors. Keeps timing out too so maybe it's just bedding in...

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Subject: IBM Knowledge Center - MQ 7.5

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Thanks,
Tim

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Jefferson Lowrey
2014-06-04 14:18:46 UTC
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I'm quite sure MQ doesn't guarantee anything about the distribution of
messages across multiple concurrent consumers.

For your issues with the InfoCenter KnowledgeCenter, I'd suggest two
things:
1) delete all cookies from IBM's website and try again
2) wait a couple of hours and try again



Thank you,

Jeff Lowrey




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I’m at the point where I am trying to download the PDFs, but can’t do that
either because my company firewalls are blocking the ftp. I’ll have to do
this at home later today. Frustrating . . .

Anyway, I was going to try and research the following, but I guess I’ll
ask the question.

I was under the impression that the following would happen with MQ.

Let’s say we have two applications that both do a GET with a WAIT on the
same queue that has no messages. App1 was the first to do the GET and
App2 was the second.

When a message arrives, I was thinking App1 would be delivered the message
since it did the GET first. Then let’s say App1 would process the message
and do another GET on this queue. If later another message arrives, App2
would be given the message since both apps are waiting with GETs on the
queue, and App2 was next in line.

However, what I am seeing based on testing is that it is always the app
that did that last GET that is delivered the message. So for the above
example, App2 would get both messages and App1 would not be delivered any
messages.

So is this the consistent behavior that the last app to do the GET will
get the next available message? I guess I was assuming that MQ would
honor the order that the apps did the GETs in.

Thanks,
Tim

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Same here. I can’t add more than 1 topic to My Collections and other
errors. Keeps timing out too so maybe it’s just bedding in


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errors. I get this for both Internet Explorer and Firefox.

Thanks,
Tim


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Meekin, Paul
2014-06-04 14:18:31 UTC
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I believe the official answer is that it is not predictable which one will get the message. I suspect that if you are seeing the second one always get it then that's probably down to the scheduling algorithm but I wouldn't count on that to always be the case.

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I'm at the point where I am trying to download the PDFs, but can't do that either because my company firewalls are blocking the ftp. I'll have to do this at home later today. Frustrating . . .

Anyway, I was going to try and research the following, but I guess I'll ask the question.

I was under the impression that the following would happen with MQ.

Let's say we have two applications that both do a GET with a WAIT on the same queue that has no messages. App1 was the first to do the GET and App2 was the second.

When a message arrives, I was thinking App1 would be delivered the message since it did the GET first. Then let's say App1 would process the message and do another GET on this queue. If later another message arrives, App2 would be given the message since both apps are waiting with GETs on the queue, and App2 was next in line.

However, what I am seeing based on testing is that it is always the app that did that last GET that is delivered the message. So for the above example, App2 would get both messages and App1 would not be delivered any messages.

So is this the consistent behavior that the last app to do the GET will get the next available message? I guess I was assuming that MQ would honor the order that the apps did the GETs in.

Thanks,
Tim

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Same here. I can't add more than 1 topic to My Collections and other errors. Keeps timing out too so maybe it's just bedding in...

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Subject: IBM Knowledge Center - MQ 7.5

Is anyone else having issues using the new IBM Knowledge Center for MQ 7.5? I can't even expand sections. It just clocks or gives me odd errors. I get this for both Internet Explorer and Firefox.

Thanks,
Tim

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Paul Clarke
2014-06-04 14:32:22 UTC
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The bottom line is that you should not rely on any particular order of scheduling when you have multiple consumers. In particular you should not assume ‘equal sharing’. In fact the Distributed product tries to avoid that. It is more efficient to try and keep one (or more) threads ‘hot’ rather than keep all threads active. So, MQ will try to deliver messages to the same thread as last time.

If you consider a queue server. You might need to ‘guess’ how many processes should service the queue. Let’s say you guess on 5. But suppose only 2 are actually needed to keep up with the workload. Well, then it is advantageous for the other 3 processes to be left dormant and, in an ideal world, be actually swapped out of memory. Whether these processes are actually swapped out depends on many factors – however by not delivering an equal share of messages you have your best chance of it happening.

Cheers,
Paul.

Paul Clarke
www.mqgem.com

From: Tim Zielke
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 3:15 PM
To: MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/bWDasg6f+***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center - MQ 7.5

I’m at the point where I am trying to download the PDFs, but can’t do that either because my company firewalls are blocking the ftp. I’ll have to do this at home later today. Frustrating . . .



Anyway, I was going to try and research the following, but I guess I’ll ask the question.



I was under the impression that the following would happen with MQ.



Let’s say we have two applications that both do a GET with a WAIT on the same queue that has no messages. App1 was the first to do the GET and App2 was the second.



When a message arrives, I was thinking App1 would be delivered the message since it did the GET first. Then let’s say App1 would process the message and do another GET on this queue. If later another message arrives, App2 would be given the message since both apps are waiting with GETs on the queue, and App2 was next in line.



However, what I am seeing based on testing is that it is always the app that did that last GET that is delivered the message. So for the above example, App2 would get both messages and App1 would not be delivered any messages.



So is this the consistent behavior that the last app to do the GET will get the next available message? I guess I was assuming that MQ would honor the order that the apps did the GETs in.



Thanks,

Tim



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Same here. I can’t add more than 1 topic to My Collections and other errors. Keeps timing out too so maybe it’s just bedding in




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Subject: IBM Knowledge Center - MQ 7.5



Is anyone else having issues using the new IBM Knowledge Center for MQ 7.5? I can’t even expand sections. It just clocks or gives me odd errors. I get this for both Internet Explorer and Firefox.



Thanks,

Tim




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Barton, Linda
2014-06-04 14:13:10 UTC
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I am getting it for WAS and WPS as well. I just can't get in.


Linda Barton

From: MQSeries List [mailto:MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/bWDasg6f+***@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Meekin, Paul
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:01 AM
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Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center - MQ 7.5

Same here. I can't add more than 1 topic to My Collections and other errors. Keeps timing out too so maybe it's just bedding in...

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Sent: 04 June 2014 14:59
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Subject: IBM Knowledge Center - MQ 7.5

Is anyone else having issues using the new IBM Knowledge Center for MQ 7.5? I can't even expand sections. It just clocks or gives me odd errors. I get this for both Internet Explorer and Firefox.

Thanks,
Tim

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