Hi Paul,
> We have customers with literally thousands of
client machines, do you really think they should
be creating and maintaining a CCDT thousands of times ?
I never said that or implied that and I
definitely would never recommend it. I know of
hundreds of customers who have deployment servers
that are used as the basis for application
deployment to hundreds (or thousands) of
application servers. On the deployment servers,
a user configures all of the files, properties,
etc.. for their applications then push them out
to the application servers. I have been telling
customers for years to install MO72 on their
deployment servers and create their CCDT files
and then deploy them out to their server
farms. This way CCDT files can be application
specific and not one great big mess.
> With the demise of MO72 I think that message
has finally made it into MQ Development.
We can only hope.
Regards,
Roger Lacroix
Capitalware Inc.
At 01:59 AM 8/08/13, you wrote:
>I donât agree that CCDT should always be
>created on the client. We have customers with
>literally thousands of client machines, do you
>really think they should be creating and
>maintaining a CCDT thousands of times ? The
>notion of creating the file centrally and
>distributing it has merit. Having said that
>there are indeed often times where to be able to
>modify (or even just display) a CCDT on the
>client machine is very useful. With the demise
>of MO72 I think that message has finally made it
>into MQ Development. Anyone interested in this
>area may do well to join the MQ Beta program.
>
>Regards,
>Paul.
>
>Paul Clarke
>www.mqgem.com
>
>From: <mailto:roger.lacroix-***@public.gmane.org>Roger Lacroix
>Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 11:54 PM
>To:
><mailto:MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/bWDasg6f+***@public.gmane.org>MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/***@public.gmane.orgAT
>Subject: Re: MO71 lives on
>
>Hi Paul,
>
>As a developer, I don't have a high need for a
>cool MQ Admin tool, that is why I never
>installed MO72 on any of my servers, as runmqsc could get the job done.
>
>I've never really understood IBM's position that
>CCDT files must be created where the queue
>manager is running. It makes no sense. The
>queue manager does not need a CCDT file. CCDT
>files should be created where they are used - on
>the client-side!!! That is why I thought MO72 was a great solution.
>
>People can deploy MO72 on their build server,
>create/update their CCDT files and then deploy
>the CCDT files along with the application and
>other configuration files. That is more logical
>than creating CCDT files where the queue manager resides.
>
>IBM should take the MO72 CCDT source code and
>create a new tool called runmqccdt or runccdt
>and include it with the MQ Client.
>
>Regards,
>Roger Lacroix
>Capitalware Inc.
>
>At 06:36 PM 8/07/13, you wrote:
>>Hi Roger,
>>
>>I think you are right that many people use MO72
>>for its ability to modify the CCDT. However,
>>there are many others who use it for its other
>>abilities, certainly judging by the questions I
>>receive. When I said âÂÂnearlyâ it was
>>the CCDT creation/modification aspect that I
>>was referring to. Unfortunately the CCDT table
>>format is not public information and, although
>>I do know the format, I donâÂÂt think I can
>>legally include it in one of my products at the
>>moment. Of course, as with all things, it is
>>possible this may change in the future.
>>
>>MQSCX has many advantages over MO72, not least
>>of which is that there is now someone actively
>>supporting it. Its features are too numerous to
>>mention here but of course it remains to be seen whether it proves popular.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>P.
>>
>>Paul Clarke
>>www.mqgem.com
>>
>>From: <mailto:roger.lacroix-***@public.gmane.org>Roger Lacroix
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:36 PM
>>To:
>><mailto:MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/bWDasg6f+***@public.gmane.org>MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/***@public.gmane.org.AT
>>Subject: Re: MO71 lives on
>>
>>Hi Paul,
>>
>>I know a lot of my customers use MO71, so there will be many happy users.
>>
>> > I have written a new MQSC client program
>> called MQSCX, which I believe is better than MO72 in nearly every way,
>>
>>I could be wrong but I think many people who
>>used MO72, were like me. I used it for CCDT
>>file creation/modification. MO72 is really two
>>products in one - I used the CCDT half but
>>never really used the runmqsc side of it.
>>
>>Add CCDT file creation/modification to MQSCX or
>>create a new product and I will buy it.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Roger Lacroix
>>Capitalware Inc.
>>
>>At 03:53 PM 8/07/13, Paul Clarke wrote:
>>>IâÃÂÃÂm afraid I have had no word on my
>>>other SupportPacs (MA01, MO03, MO72 or MA94).
>>>Of course, as you know, I have written a new
>>>MQSC client program called MQSCX, which I
>>>believe is better than MO72 in nearly every
>>>way, so I canâÃÂÃÂt say that I am
>>>pushing for MO72 anyway. It would be nice if they gave me back MO03 though
>>>Smile
>>>
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>P.
>>>
>>>Paul Clarke
>>>www.mqgem.com
>>>
>>>From: <mailto:t.rob-CkT6zf+urXSzW/GOMZKyElesiRL1/***@public.gmane.org>T.Rob
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 8:15 PM
>>>To:
>>><mailto:MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/bWDasg6f+***@public.gmane.org>MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/***@public.gmane.orgC.AT
>>>Subject: Re: MO71 lives on
>>>
>>>And cheers were heard throughout the land!
>>>
>>>Paul, that's the best news I've heard in a
>>>long time. Congratulations Paul, and thanks
>>>IBM for resolving the issues and clearing the path.
>>>
>>>Not to press my luck too far butÃÂ
any word on MO72? MA01?
>>>
>>>-- T.Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>From: MQSeries List
>>>[mailto:MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/bWDasg6f+***@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Paul Clarke
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 13:34 PM
>>>To: MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/bWDasg6f+***@public.gmane.org
>>>Subject: MO71 lives on
>>>
>>>I am pleased to announce that IBM has now
>>>agreed to let me continue to support and
>>>enhance the MO71 SupportPac. Within the next
>>>few weeks I hope to have the latest version of
>>>MO71 on the MQGem Website
>>>(<http://www.mqgem.com>www.mqgem.com). If any
>>>users of MO71 have unresolved defects in the
>>>current version then please send me an email
>>>to <mailto:support-***@public.gmane.org>support-PvZknbXPofNfmgfxC/sS/***@public.gmane.org
>>>
>>>Now is also a good time to be making feature
>>>requests for the following version. I am
>>>always interested to hear your suggestions.
>>>
>>>My apologies for any concern caused by the delay in getting this agreed.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Paul.
>>>
>>>
>>>Paul Clarke
>>><http://www.mqgem.com>www.mqgem.com
>>>
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